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Post by John Pilling on Aug 23, 2005 17:37:08 GMT
Meet sid, the western hognose.   He's 2 years old and near enough fully grown, he likes hissing and spitting, and dislikes his current viv (he's getting a bigger 1 next week). |
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Post by Baz on Aug 23, 2005 18:10:52 GMT
What a cool snake John. When the picture just loaded I thought for a moment you had someting venomous in your hand. Cool pix.
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Post by John Pilling on Aug 23, 2005 19:52:36 GMT
He is!!! Slightley anyway, he comes under "non venomous", but hold enough, he has rear fangs and this is what happens IF he was to bit me www.herpnet.net/bite/ Please veiw all the pic's and note it took over 72 hours for the swelling to go down. The fangs are actually used to poison frogs and to delate them. |
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Post by Baz on Aug 23, 2005 23:40:31 GMT
Very cool and a little scary. When I was first looking at snakes the guy in the reptile store showed me an Asian Vine Snake. It looked cool, but it's also rear fanged. I didn't think it would be a great "starter snake" and it likes to eat lizards, which makes it a little harder and probably expensive to feed.
When I first glanced at the picture I thought it was some type of rattler though. There are areas here around Denver where rattlesnakes like to sun themselves in the morning. If you go for an early hike you can see them. I'd love to do that one day and take a bunch of pictures. If it happens I'll certainly post them here.
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Post by lee on Aug 24, 2005 9:00:49 GMT
nice hognose john  id like some in the future especially tri-coloured and madagascan hognoses they look cool do you plan to get a female and breed them? lee |
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Post by sparkle** on Aug 24, 2005 9:01:25 GMT
Hey he's a handsom boy!! His pattern and colours are great.  But looking at the bite pics I hope he dont bite ya  |
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Post by John Pilling on Aug 24, 2005 9:25:52 GMT
Baz, yeah he looks like a minature rattler, and acts like a cobra (hissing, spitting, flattening of his head and playing dead).
Lee i'm not sure yet, both my local shops wont stock them, i got him as an rescue snake, so i'll have to see.
Sparkle, he has struck at me a few times but only ever with a closed mouth (notice his nose? it's very sharp). Hopefully (touch wood) i won't get bitten.
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Post by Vicki on Aug 24, 2005 9:43:01 GMT
Nice one John, he looks lovely. I love the pics aswell, show his colours really well |
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Post by lozzer on Aug 29, 2005 22:43:53 GMT
>:(Ive always wanted a western hoggy lucky you lol
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Post by Dave on Aug 30, 2005 6:26:11 GMT
wait till that bugger gets a bite on ya  |
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Post by John Pilling on Aug 30, 2005 7:36:19 GMT
Little bugger better not get a bite on me, 3 days of swelling? no thanks . He's a tough nut tho, not feed yet with me and he's been offered twice, i'm going to see if i can get some frozzen lizzards or frogs for the little fellow, i'll let you know how he get's on. |
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Post by Dave on Aug 30, 2005 9:47:06 GMT
ok if he gets really problematic let me know i may have a way of dealing with them, chris (my mate that i used to help with his herps) has 10 of em an hes real good with problematic ones! im sure some of his experiance may have rubbed of on me lol if not i can always talk to him bout it!  |
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Post by John Pilling on Aug 30, 2005 11:35:08 GMT
Could you ask what is a good alternative to mice? i'm really not having much luck with fuzzies.
Thanks Dave
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Post by Dave on Aug 30, 2005 14:06:48 GMT
theres not really an alternative to mice for them, i believe that most snakes will feed better in natural ways (such as in the dark with loads of movement from the mouse!)
also remember that most poisones snakes also see heat so it may be a case of warming it right up an then dancing it infront of him! (works for most heat sensitive snakes!)
p.s although im not to sure wether they do see heat, i will ask chris soon as he gets back from state side off his course
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Post by John Pilling on Aug 30, 2005 17:27:14 GMT
Thanks Dave
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Post by Amber on Aug 30, 2005 18:47:08 GMT
Nice snake I am interested to know about hognose 'venom' from a source that knows for sure... I was reading about them, as I thought I remembered reading something about their saliva containing enzymes. So far it seems quite certain they are classed as 'non-venemous' and I read they have no actual venom glands, but then I keep seeing 'duvernoys gland'. So it has confused me. EDIT - Not so much about hognose snakes, but its interesting to read. www.venomdoc.com/colubrid.html Interesting discussion... reptileforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=7044I thought the only snakes with heat pits were boids and vipers... |
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Post by lozzer on Aug 30, 2005 22:18:12 GMT
true hognoses don't have pits.John i wouldn't wory to much about getting bit because you would have to let it chew on you for like 5 minutes beause they are backfanged besides that mans hand was that bad because loads of venom was injected because he did it on purpose to see the results so a litle bit of venom would probobly only make your hand red and numb for a bit.
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Post by Dave on Aug 31, 2005 0:08:52 GMT
these snakes can cause problems from a small bite, i have knoledge where these snakes are concerned as ive worked with mates with them! ok so your not going to die from a hognose bite but it needs to clamp on your hand for a matter of seconds to do damage!
any bite that gives you will make your hand swell up (its a risk you take with owning them)
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Post by Dave on Aug 31, 2005 0:10:05 GMT
Nice snake I am interested to know about hognose 'venom' from a source that knows for sure... I was reading about them, as I thought I remembered reading something about their saliva containing enzymes. So far it seems quite certain they are classed as 'non-venemous' and I read they have no actual venom glands, but then I keep seeing 'duvernoys gland'. So it has confused me. EDIT - Not so much about hognose snakes, but its interesting to read. www.venomdoc.com/colubrid.html Interesting discussion... reptileforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=7044I thought the only snakes with heat pits were boids and vipers... as i said im not to sure, stop trying to be cleverer than me lol |
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Post by John Pilling on Aug 31, 2005 0:14:42 GMT
lol
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lol
