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Post by lee on Sept 20, 2005 14:35:00 GMT
ive got 3 ferrets and trust me they are more of a chore than any snake,need cleaning out every 2-3 days because if left for 3 they reek
don't get a ferret if you can't handle the chore of a snake
lee
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Post by Shrimply on Sept 20, 2005 15:10:42 GMT
Oh Dan's prices don't sound that bad then. He just needs to start building vivs. ;D As i said though as long as you give him a days notice he will fix up the flat packed viv and fit a light fitting for you. Very helpful when you would have no idea where to begin  and i am sure he has had plenty of practice  . Oh and back to Tango. What i don't get is that after, at the very longest, 8 months he got bored of a pet that he bought knowing it would live for 20 years. I can't imagine giving up one of my pets just to buy another, it isn't fair on them. A much better tactic is to bully your parents until they let you have the other one as well  . |
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Post by John Pilling on Sept 20, 2005 16:17:26 GMT
The top and bottom of it is, in my veiw, don't sell snakes to under 16's, without a good parent's backing that if the kids get bored the parents ARE willing to take on the responsability.
Remember the add's on tv "A dog is for life, not just for christmass.....". Im my view this applies to every single animal you would care to take on as a pet.
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Post by Shrimply on Sept 20, 2005 16:43:09 GMT
I quite agree i don't know if you are aware the legal age for a child to buy a pet is 12 but in my opinion it should be changed. I believe the man at my local reptile store feels the same. He won't even let children under 16 into the shop without an adult although he tends to bend the rules if you already have a reptile. some children and sadly even adults can just not be trusted to look after a pet. |
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Post by Amber on Sept 20, 2005 17:04:57 GMT
Wow, children these days  It is probly best for the snake to be sold if he has lost interest, I'm sure the snake would benfit from a more caring home, than somewhere where it is unwanted. If I said it was wrong, I would be a hypocrite, indeed I have sold snakes/ geckos in the past to make room for different species, if the animals bonded to their owners, it would be bad, but in a few weeks the reptile will forget it's last home, and lead a healthier life with someone that really wants it. You can't really say he doesn't care about the snake, because he is trying to find it a better home, would you prefer him to keep it in conditions, with declining care? There is no point keeping the animal, and getting more, if you think that would have a negative effect on their care. You can't compare the snake to a dog, I'm sure the snake doesn't care who it's owner is. |
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Post by Shrimply on Sept 20, 2005 17:14:57 GMT
Please don't stereotype us we are not all like that I take great pride in looking after my animals ;D.
I know what you are saying but it is not that he doesn't have space just that he no longer has an interest in it would he not have been better to properly consider what he was getting into before he bought it.
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Post by Amber on Sept 20, 2005 18:42:09 GMT
It would of been good if he did, indeed. I am not saying it is a good idea to get a reptile knowing you will sell it a few months later, or doubting that you will still have an interest in it, and if he keeps repeating that behaviour it is totally wrong.
But selling the snake, isn't that terrible, and it depends on his kind of interest in reptiles, if they truely are pets, or if he has an interest in learning about different species. I know my reptiles are a mix of both, and as sad as I am when I sell one, I know it is worse to keep an animal that would be wanted so much more in a different home.
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Post by John Pilling on Sept 20, 2005 19:57:40 GMT
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Post by Amber on Sept 20, 2005 20:20:18 GMT
Does selling the snake have any real long lasting effects on the snake? It can only make the owner happier if the animal is no longer wanted, with those two factors together, I see no problem with him selling the snake. It seems more other people's ethics, you can only say what you think you would do in that situation, so long as the snake is not being harmed, it is much his buisness what he does.
Breeders buy and sell their breeding 'stock' often, most people have no problem with that, but when you add the word pet to the snake, doing so would seem wrong? I should avoid ranting about breeders, or I will start on morphs.... Grrrrr.
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Post by Shrimply on Sept 20, 2005 21:28:47 GMT
Now what your saying has to be true 99.9%. But selling a snake I believe can have a long term effect even if it is very rare. say the snake has traveled a long way and is put into a new environment full of different smells. It is fed and because of stress then regurges the owners panic and feed it again and again. Soon they realize it is serious and it is taken to the vets but the snake is now so weak it dies. This is extreme but i don't believe impossible it only takes one person to lack that little piece of information and it can end in disaster. Am i wrong?
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Post by lozzer on Sept 20, 2005 21:32:20 GMT
Ive also had a arguement with same and imnot sure if i can say what im feeling right now without being band from the forum lol
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Post by John Pilling on Sept 20, 2005 22:05:02 GMT
At the end of the day it's sams disision.
As to the breeding side of things, i know what your saying stef, and if i was breeding i would still keep the snakes, even if they wern't breeding, as i believe they are for life weather their "pets" or "breeding stock". Thats just me tho, and others can and do, do what they see fit.
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Post by lee on Sept 21, 2005 2:07:52 GMT
amber i agree with you 100%
i myself am not condoning what sam is doing but its entirely his own decision
people say about changes in environment and new smells,the cornsnakes/reptiles you buy from your local petshop or from breeders still need to get used to the smells and environment,do they not get stressed as they would from a private sale from changes in environment and the travelling is the same unless the shop breeds their own cornsnakes longer if you count some importation from the states or europe etc paticularly the more desired speices/morphs but still not a word is said about the sales of this manner.
without sales there would be no petshops.breeders,classified adverts and we wouldn't have the variety of reptiles we have today and if every person adhered to those rules of long term care where would the oppurtunity to buy hatchlings/surplus of a speices for breeding purposes as the breeders would have to keep every single animal back.
i buy my animals from breeders and im very happy with what i have and i always consider the long term commitment.
where do you draw the line? less being sold or finding homes for the millions of reptile sold as private sales as not many are going to want an adult snake at a whim that is 5 years + when they could just go to a breeder for a baby that they can get used to and grow to adults themselves building a calm bond between pet and owner which is understandable due to the eventual tameness and the longer lifespan that would outlive an elderly snakes and the chance to own the newest morphs as finding breeder adults of that particular sort are very slim but are more affordable as babies or to add future breeding possibilities.
lee
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Post by sparkle** on Sept 21, 2005 11:37:41 GMT
I have sat and read wot everyone has to say about sams snake. I think that its obviously best for the snake to go to a home that will love and take care of it. But I feel that too many people (sam included) buy snakes and other reptiles just to show off, then when the novelty has worn off they just dissregard them like a old shoe! I think that the law for buying pets should be 18.
I'm sorry amber but i also dissagree with you on 2 points.
1. You can compare a dog to a snake as they are all pets and i feel the same way about my snakes as i do my rabbit and dog.
2. that to sell an animal just to get a new type of bread is just as bad.
I'm with John a snake' dog' cat' fish any animal that you buy is your responsibillity untill the end of their life.
REPTILES ARE NOT TOYS!
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Post by Amber on Sept 21, 2005 15:15:51 GMT
You can call them pets, but I doubt a snake ever really cares for it's owner the way a dog does. Which is the way I meant it, snakes have no cravings for attention, they don't want to be pets, they want food, water and a place to sleep, which is why they spend most of their lives solitary.
Why is it so bad to sell an animal so you can accommodate a different species?
EDIT - You said "i feel the same way " YOU feel the same, snakes and dogs are not the same, it is the way you feel about the snake that affects the way you view it, not the snake's welfare.
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Post by Shrimply on Sept 21, 2005 15:22:41 GMT
I can see both sides of the argument and although i know no one will change my view I am sure I will also change nobodys. However it should be noted that all of us agree on the point that he should not have bought a pet without properly considering it. Sparkle i think the age should be 16 not 18. Come on I am only a year off. ;D This is going to be my last post on this thread as much as I have enjoyed the banter i wish to offend nobody and at the end of the day there is nothing anyone can do for Tango except give him a good home with responsible owner and i hope that this happens. And i feel we have started to go round in circles. The important thing is that every single one of us had the snakes best interest at heart no matter what our opinion. |
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Post by John Pilling on Sept 21, 2005 15:54:58 GMT
The important thing is that every single one of us had the snakes best interest at heart no matter what our opinion. Agreed. Wee all have differant ways and views, and at the end of the day it's the snakes eventual housing thats important. For me i'm drawing a line under this thread as everyone's opinions and views have been noted and appreaciated. Sam I just got your email and will be intouch shortley to try and sort something out (anyone know a courier?) |
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Post by lee on Sept 21, 2005 18:34:59 GMT
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Post by John Pilling on Sept 21, 2005 19:24:04 GMT
Thanks Lee, i really appreaciate this.
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Post by Dave on Sept 23, 2005 11:41:50 GMT
any word on you getting him yet john?
i would have taken tango on myself but i just have too much on my hands right now an £100 is just to steep for me at the moment
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lol
and i am sure he has had plenty of practice 
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It is probly best for the snake to be sold if he has lost interest, I'm sure the snake would benfit from a more caring home, than somewhere where it is unwanted. If I said it was wrong, I would be a hypocrite, indeed I have sold snakes/ geckos in the past to make room for different species, if the animals bonded to their owners, it would be bad, but in a few weeks the reptile will forget it's last home, and lead a healthier life with someone that really wants it.
